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Permalink Reply by Kim Kanger on April 10, 2008 at 2:00am

The new map is getting better. Here is a sample of it.

Permalink Reply by Kim Kanger on April 16, 2008 at 3:39pm

OK, here is the final version (for now). Charts are adjusted and the online map is bigger which makes it feel sharper:

http://www.kangerproject.com/tonkin2/

The rules are going through a major overhaul. It will still be the same game as before but a lot of things have been thrown out in order to streamline it.

Permalink Reply by Kim Kanger on May 1, 2008 at 9:12am

The counter art:

Permalink Reply by Kim Kanger on June 14, 2008 at 10:11am

The new map, so far, of Tonkin looks like this:

http://www.kangerproject.com/tonkin2/

Permalink Reply by Kim Kanger on March 1, 2009 at 3:32pm

Adjusted counter art

Permalink Reply by Kim Kanger on March 14, 2009 at 9:55am

Tonkin, which will published later this year, have a major problem though. I have deleted the rule about garrison (which really was just a way of decreasing the number of counters), but including those counters again poses another problem. Each French battalion is far too small to control the space that each hex constitutes (http://www.kangerproject.com/tonkin2). But the number of counters the french will have will enable him to easily place one counter in each hex in the whole delta area, and thereby deny Viet Minh of any empty hexes in the delta to enter.

One way to solve this is to increase the size and strength of the ordinary (not the paras and the legion) French battalion into a "double battalion" unit or into regiment size, and thus decrease the number of counters. But there were no such units so these ones would therefore be more of a generic kind.

Another way is to design the game so that it would be unfavourable for the French player to spread out his units in all the hexes and that he would prefer to stack them instead. A combat bonus for the part having a 3-1 ratio in stacking would make the French want to stack his units in order to avoid being killed.

A third way could be to delete some of the ordinary french units which never left the delta and instead give the french player free replacements during certain game turns.

Any opinions?

Permalink Reply by Lance Runolfsson on March 14, 2009 at 5:16pm

I would pick your first choice of making larger "generic units" because it is the most simple (from a play stand point) and reduces cases of stacking.

Permalink Reply by Rince on March 15, 2009 at 8:13am

I would keep the historical unit counters even if it means fiddling with the rules.

Permalink Reply by Birhacheim on March 21, 2009 at 11:30am

During Indochina War, French have four types of units:
1- Intervention Battallions such as Legion, Paratroops, Moroccan Tabors
2- Combat Task forces (Groupements Mobiles GM)
3- Sector troops (?) (troupes de secteurs)
4- Commando troops usually assigned to a sector...

I think you could find an abstract system to simulate sector troops - concentrating combat units on the the other kind of troops.

Permalink Reply by Kim Kanger on March 21, 2009 at 12:27pm

Yes, I'm into that line of thinking. I have to figure which troops were the sector troops and not assigned into the GM's. Then I have to figure out what to do with them. Should I delete them and include abstract strength points or should I create larger regimental size generic sector units?

Permalink Reply by Birhacheim on March 22, 2009 at 7:37am

I think a better way should be to invent an abstract system (sector/guerilla zoning) and concentration of french sector troops/vietminh guerilla and reglars in these sector/guerilla will influence movment factors/supply....

it's just an idea !

Permalink Reply by Kim Kanger on July 6, 2009 at 4:31pm

Some cool Vietnamese music while you contemplate pledging for Tonkin

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