During a discussion on gaming in general, I wondered what percentage of wargamers also willingly play Euros. And, of course, everyone had a completely different guess with their attendant theory on how that number came to them.

Based on comments overhead at CSW Expo, the games I saw being played in the Annex at the Expo, what gets talked about in the "On The Table" and "Out of the Wrapper" folders on CSW, my guess was that 50% or more of the wargamers also play Euros. The other gamers in my group were guessing MUCH lower. My theory is that, while wargamers generally have a strong interest in a specific engagement, time period, method of combat, whatever... they also game to have fun and, therefore, will willingly cross over to Euro/Ameri-games. (I stress the willingly part - not just playing them because it's all they can get their SO to play or due to a lack of local opponents.)

The only database I can glean info from to test my theory is BoardGameGeek, which has a decided slant to Euro/Ameri-games. Will this give me a balanced look at the depth of crossover? Do hardcore wargamers use BGG and bother to record their plays, their collection, etc.? Is there a better site from which to dredge this information?

Something to look into...

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Comment by Kai Jensen on July 30, 2008 at 2:32pm
S'alright! I get that alot. (Fortunately, never in person.) Admittedly, Kai is generally a male name, so I am not surprised that people make the connection that way.
Comment by Kai Jensen on July 29, 2008 at 11:13pm
Psst, Brant... it's "she said" not "he said". That is me in my photo.
Comment by C Schultz on July 29, 2008 at 8:25pm
Thanks Brant. I must have missed that. D'oh
Comment by Mark Humphries on July 29, 2008 at 6:31pm
I find most Euros to be dry and boring. I play them only when I'm socializing with non-wargamers. My kids though love Euros and 'Ameritrash' games with plastic toys, so we have quite a few.
Comment by C Schultz on July 29, 2008 at 6:23pm
Can someone answer for me one simple (well, maybe but so simple) question. What exactly is a Euro? I see the discussions all the time and mention of games I have never heard of. I guess I just an old hex and counter wargamer who prefers un-mounted paper maps.

I have some non-wargames in my collection, but I have most had these for a long time. These include some 3M flat box games like Win, Place & Show, 3M book shelf games like Ploy, and some AH non-wargames like Outdoor Survival. Would any of these be considered by today’s standards a Euro? I have Wings of War by Nexus. I bought it for the subject matter (WWI air combat) but don’t know if it is considered a wargame or a Euro?

Thanks for any light that can be shed on this so I don’t feel completely in the dark.
Comment by Lee Massey on July 25, 2008 at 12:26am
Personally, there is not much crossover for me to Euro's because I have always been a wargamer! The only non-wargames I play with my wife is Scrabble and Parcheesi!
Comment by Gerry Palmer on July 22, 2008 at 9:56pm
Most of my (limited) FTF group is decidedly luke warm on them. I own a few but haven't gotten anyone to play them lately. I have Settlers--the game that reminds me of Mike Myer's line in Wayne's World about the Frampton Live album....'we didn't buy it; we were 'issued' it'. Given the tepid reception to them here, I doubt that I'll buy any in the foreseeable future. There's too many good wargames vying for my dollar. Just got back from vacation and I'm wearing my zipper at half-mast in honor of my dead wallet.
Comment by Skip Franklin on July 22, 2008 at 9:38pm
I may fix that next time the Super Fantastic Gaming Hour meets. A Euro-gamer wants to play Combat Commander.
Comment by nix342 on July 22, 2008 at 7:29am
My experience supports a large percentage. Very few wargamers I play with don't also play euros. I think it would also be interesting to know how deep things go the other way...that is, what percentage of euro players also play wargames. I believe this to be a much lower number. I know many eurogamers who wouldn't touch a wargame.
Comment by Jim Werbaneth on July 21, 2008 at 8:46am
I play wargames almost exclusively. I've played a couple of adult strategy games that probably couldn't be counted as Euros, but it's wargames and more wargames for me. If there's going to be any "crossover," it's going to be with different sorts of computer games, not the board medium.

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