Over here in the UK, Tuesday at 8pm on Channel 5, there is a program called Revealed, which focuses on War Plan Red, which is an American military strategy to go to war with Britain and it's Commonwealth, which was initially conceived in the 1920's.

I had never heard of this before, and although it is something that is consigned to history, I can't help feel a little shocked and disappointed at this, especially as the American politicians of the time did not take too kindly to Britain and it's Empire (from my understanding) but were quite prepared to go on a major campaign of land grabbing for themselves. And all this just after WW1 had ended.

Here is what wiki has about it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Plan_Red

It could, however, be a very interesting idea for a "what if" wargame. 

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Comment by Michael "Sudsy" Sutherland on September 26, 2011 at 7:49pm
Alliances are a convoluted thing sometimes...  Putting the US Rainbow Warplans into perspective (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_color-coded_war_plans) we can see the US having planned on going to war with just about every major power at the time likely due to lessons learned from the First World War.  Obviously, Isolationist and likely pro-German individuals kept War Plan Black from being as developed as others.  However, its interesting to correlate history to when some of these plans were created...  Not a lot of Americans realize how close to bonafide Fascism the US was in the 1920's, same with Communism.  Too many were swept up in the talk of Il'Duece and the success of the Fascists in Italy and how forward thinking they appeared to be...  On top of that, you have Plan Green to deal with Mexico, and while lots of folks look at the Zimmerman Note as its basis, there was a lot of tension prior to that incident (Gen. Pershing's expedition not withstanding).  Mexico and the US being close strategic allies is only very recent, and very delicate at best.

Seeing that Plan Orange provided the basis for US Operations in the Pacific Theatre when the shooting started, I'm kind of glad they had those plans created.  After all, I fully expect many nations in the world that fully prepared to have some sort war plan in their files that includes targeting the US...  Thats just the way the world is.
Comment by Robert Ryan on September 21, 2011 at 8:02am
The film is black and white and has Peter Sellers playing 3 roles: the US president, Dr. Strangelove (ex-nazi scientist), and a RAF exchange officer. If I recall correctly it was filmed in England (or maybe used a English film studio for production...).  Almost every line of this war parody makes me laugh and then throw in Peter Sellers funny accents on top...  The director had to ask Peter Sellers to tone his Presidential dialogue down a bit as the other actors were having trouble finishing their dialogue without laughing.
Comment by Roger Morley on September 21, 2011 at 2:02am

Robert - if I had seen the film, then I would have found your comment funny, but it looks like I will have to lay my hands on a copy of the film, sounds like it could be a good laugh.

Thomas - it would be really interesting - and possibly shocking - to delve into the archives of the Home Office of the past 200 years to see what un-actioned plans lay hidden, as I am sure there are in there. And yes, there are no hard feelings, my opinion of the US has not diminished because of War Plan Red, as I suppose there times from the past where politicians, generals and leaders have taken action or planned them that seem absolutely absurd these day.

Comment by brian s. b. on September 20, 2011 at 11:56pm
lol i love that churchill quote. i'll look around about that stalin invading china-i'm intrigued now,but i'll probably just get sent to the same sites as you. lol
Comment by Thomas G. Chapman on September 20, 2011 at 5:58pm
Roger, Wing Attack Plan R was carried out against the Soviets by the B-52 squadron commanded by General Jack D. Ripper - should give you an idea about the rest of the film. Oh, and General Ripper's XO is an exchange officer from the RAF. Robert's right - you should treat yourself to a good laugh if you have never seen this film. I apologize for War Plan Red, but remember that the red coats had already burnt Washington D.C. once... I'm sure that buried somewhere in the secret files of the Home Office there is a similar British plan for taking out Uncle Sam. No hard feelings, though; over the long run I think we've made better allies than enemies. Wasn't it PM Churchill who said we were two peoples separated by a common language?
Comment by Roger Morley on September 20, 2011 at 1:55pm
I bet there are a lot more "what if" scenarios which were planned behind closed doors that we know nothing about. There was word of a plan by Stalin to invade China just after the second world war, but I have not found out too much about it.
Comment by brian s. b. on September 20, 2011 at 5:21am
so when do we (us in america-your out roger,sorry mate) implement this?!? i love arcane history and what ifs? so thanks for the info! the cold war is really the period when military planners went a bit loopy-every conceivable scenario was mapped out and wargamed. i imagine the world's military continue to plan for what ifs?-they should come to us gamers for our opinions! lol
Comment by Robert Ryan on September 20, 2011 at 3:18am
I was trying to be a little funny but if you haven't seen the film then I suppose I failed...You must watch Dr. Strangelove...it is a classic comedy.
Comment by Roger Morley on September 20, 2011 at 2:35am

Canada was to be their first land grab (according to wiki), but there is little detailed info on wiki so I will watch the programme tonight and see if they go into anymore detail.

Wing Attack Plan R - never heard of it, so I googled it and it came up with Dr. Strangelove film.

Comment by Robert Ryan on September 20, 2011 at 2:23am
I think a part of that plan was to grab Canada as well...War Plan Crimson. I am surprised you are not more concerned with "Wing Attack Plan R" and the subsequent fighting that occurred within the War Room....

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