What is all this aggravation with BGG and the "BGG vs CSW" all about? I have obviously missed something!

As the title says, can someone tell me what is all this aggravation with BGG and the "BGG vs CSW" all about? I have obviously missed something that has happened.

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Comment by Michael A. Rinella on November 10, 2012 at 11:03pm

The only thing I find BGG useful for is fielding questions from international wargamers who do not know of/use consimworld.  Otherwise I find it useless or worse than useless, the Admins and Mods topping the list.

Comment by Jim Werbaneth on February 9, 2012 at 9:01pm

I have to say that I never used Boardgame Geek as a discussion forum, which is my prime purpose in being on ConsimWorld.  I'm another one who uses BGG mainly as a reference source.

Comment by Daniel Red Cloud Brown on February 5, 2012 at 11:28pm

This is quite informative for me. I am first and foremost a "ConSimWorld-er"; recently I have been on BGG, making my account and presence " more"....basically trying to list all the wargames that I own onto my BGG account. Oddly, I saw the "CSW Sucks" stuff. My reaction was "WTF?"; I'm still not sure what the point of that is.


         Personally, as I go through BGG clicking away, to add game after game to my BGG Collection, I find it exhausting = click, return, page back, search:boardgames enter name of game, etc etc. I DID get to buy some nifty 'badges' after much clicking and typing (like having to use a 32-character code for each operation; yes i do not type well, so that took far too several attempts!). CSW is MUCH more 'User Friendly' as far as I'm concerned.  I have been on CSW for going on Ten Years now, I'm comfortable with the format and people and honestly I find BGG to be a NON Wargame site. CSW and WebGrognards are, to me, THE Wargames Sites.

Comment by Tom Swider on February 5, 2012 at 7:21pm

I think my recent spike in interest in CSW came about because I didn't think the BGG supported the wargame community enough. Other wargamers had mentioned the CSW sites before and I would peek but that was about it.


I think like any other technology, you get into habits as to how things work. John was nice enough to point out some of the tutorials that help make using the forums easier.


Not sure if there's a big to-do between the two sites, but different types of gamers have always been at odds with other gamers, while others are "omnigamers" who will play them all (wargames, german boardgames, role playing, collectible card games, miniatures, Diplomacy, computer games). 

Comment by John Ryan on February 5, 2012 at 5:16pm

As someone who's been reading CSW for over 10 years, I can safely say that in some instances there are certain CSWers whose personalities can be...well...misinterpreted. 

Yeah, that's the nice way of putting it.

Comment by Tony on February 5, 2012 at 2:03pm

Thanks Dav.

Yeah Peter, that's how I found it, years ago when I first started looking for wargame stuff online.

I see people mention that they use it all the time and thought I was missing something.

Comment by Dav Vandenbroucke on February 5, 2012 at 11:03am

Web Grognards is a depository of files and links about wargames.  I usually use it when I'm going to play a game that I haven't played in a while (or ever), just to check for what they have:  errata, variants, reviews, etc.  There is a Web Grognards folder on CSW, where the sysop posts a "what's new" list each week.  Each week also sees a new "Grognards Challenge," in which you have to guess the identity of a game based on small samples of the map and counters.

Comment by Tony on February 5, 2012 at 10:12am


How does one use it? Is it site you visit daily? or only when looking for files?

Comment by Roger Morley on February 5, 2012 at 4:34am

John - I always thought the 2 sites worked well together for someone like me (wargamer), maybe not quite hand in hand, but they do "feed" off one another. I never came across any aggravation or dislike  from members of either sites, and it is only this past week I have seen on CSW social this week of the "them or us" talk, and I just really wondered "why" and "what".

I think you have really summed it up quite nicely.

I will always continue to support both sites and promote them whenever i can, as they are 2 of the best institutions for wargamers on the net (webgrognards is another).

Comment by John Kranz on February 4, 2012 at 10:39pm

There you go, Bill. And if you spent 99.99% or 100% of your time just on BGG, that's okay as well. In the end, folks between BGG and CSW are still going to connect in one way or another, just as we have a strong publisher presence on CSW forums and the same is true for BGG. There will always be that intertwining and flow of information going on, but in the end, it just doesn't matter where anyone decides they prefer spending their time. What's important is we are connecting with folks, enjoying discussions, getting good game support, whatever it is you want to get out of online game support/community sites!

That's probably why I enjoy CSW Expo more than any pursuit. I love connecting and seeing great things happen online, but being able to celebrate the hobby in person with fellow gamers in a community atmosphere is what it's all about. I know the same is true about BGG con.

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