Since it looks like Smitty is going to delete my comment posts I'll make my statement here:

Hey, great job respecting John Kranz's request to refrain from making political posts on this "Social" board. Good work Smitty!

"My friends", I sure hope you enjoy watching McCain get run over by the Obama landslide today!

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Comment by Jim Werbaneth on November 6, 2008 at 12:22pm
I'm all for global warming, as it gets rid of killer glaciers too.

I wouldn't want one of them things moving into my neighborhood. There go the property values.
Comment by Bill Wood on November 6, 2008 at 8:57am
Global Warming will take care of those icebergs.
Comment by Jim Werbaneth on November 6, 2008 at 8:15am
I totally agree. I'm perfectly willing to discuss politics in a civil manner with nearly anyone. Hell, it's actually my job -- try teaching poli sci without polite discourse on current matters.

But beware of trolls more willing to throw a grenade than play a wargame.
Comment by Mike O'Brien on November 6, 2008 at 12:31am
As Jon said, politics has it's place as long as there is discussion not damnation. This is not a place for flame wars but for paper wars. And if people don't think that politics is warfare without the guns try playing "1960" or "Twilight Struggle".
Comment by Nate on November 5, 2008 at 12:57pm
Its been a long election and the talking points have been ever so tediously worked to a frazzle.
Hey, I lost a quarter of my savings like the other smart people, living within my means.

Funny story about a real estate broker we know who bought one of those magnificent mansions he was selling. He saw the writing on the wall around 6 months ago and stopped paying his $4k mortgage. Stopped cleaning his pool. Stopped paying insurance. Instead, he and his wife took a European vacation and bought a set of clothes to go into financial ruin with, at least on the books. I figure when they lose their overpriced home and need to move, the only thing they will need to do is wait the normal mourning period for credit and get a cheap lawyer to reinstate them and do it all over again in 5 years. A clear savings of $240,000.

Too bad all of us smart people don't get the perks in a failed economy. Just think if everyone took that attitude on and just sat in their houses until forced out by court order. Perfectly legal capitalistic, go for broke, market economy plan.
Except for one thing, values. I actually want to leave my country in a position that my children would be proud to take over from my legacy, hopes and dreams, faith and a little hard work investment for all that I was given.
Does this sound like an axe grinding? Sorry, but I have nothing but contempt for all those who IMO, contributed to the housing boom, lending crises, credit woes and expect the safety net to be thrown out by good hard working Americans to catch their sorry asses.
Its a criminal act to steal, but if no one actually sees you lifting the cash into your pocket, it somehow becomes venture capitalism. These bank deals with brokers stink to high heaven.
When the housing market here in California was peaking I kept asking myself how these new buyers could afford homes in the canyon "starting in the low $900,000" range. It had to be an ever spiraling expectation of profit. This profit had to be paid up front to the developer. Money changed hands. It was the banks that had the "value" of the property. When the value eroded it left the banks without assets to cover their pre payment to the developer. The money still exists. Some of it in material and construction costs, paid out to contractors who built the projects in the first place. The rest in the pockets of the developers. It seems that the banks are the real suckers here, and they shot themselves in the foot by being unduly stupid as to how the buyers would practically pay for the property.
Who is the bad guy? The fall guy? What did the developer do with his profit? All in all, the money should have been recycled into the system, but it hasn't. Well a good portion of it seems unaccounted for, especially the 25% of my life savings part. The big question here for me is the stock and bond value tied directly to the failed banks and insurance companies are connected somehow in what looks like an artificial way. I mean if Peter and Paul's deal falls through, why the heck does Paul immediately dig into Tom Dick and Harrys stock portfolio to come up with the cash? Sure seems like socialism from my POV. Except in a real socialist country they would line up the guilty and march them off to mines and forestry camps to play boy scout games for 5-10 years. Instead, they gain prestige...
I voted for Obama with the fact in mind that he will work hard to prove himself, is very smart, and has a wonderful winning team.
Comment by Jon Compton on November 5, 2008 at 12:11pm
I don't agree with all of it, but Chuck has my vote in 2012.
Comment by Jon Compton on November 5, 2008 at 11:02am
How do you distinguish between the two? Are the fears expressed over socialism just ax grinding or genuine fear about the direction our body politic is going? When I mention, for instance, Soros, I do so because if you read books such as Unconditional Warfare, a document written by two Chinese PLA Colonels who explicitly mention him as inspiration for formation of their strategies on combination warfare, do you consider that ax grinding or a genuine issue that speaks to the current concerns about this election and directly relevant to our hobby? Point being, some of these lines are fine. We can disagree and be adults about it at the same time, or at least I'd like to think so.
Comment by David Allen on November 5, 2008 at 10:45am
I'm not stressed over the election. I try to follow the advice "Trust in God, and act like it."
Comment by Bill Wood on November 5, 2008 at 10:45am
The politics DO matter, the Axe Grinding does not.
Comment by Jon Compton on November 5, 2008 at 10:44am
In my opinion, our hobby is about simulating warfare. Warfare does not exist in the modern world outside the context of politics. I don't see how you can ban political discussion without banning the basis of our hobby. This presidential election has profound implications on the conflictual relationships in our world whether anyone likes it or not. As someone who is particularly concerned about modern conflict, I find attempts to ban political discussion in these forums particularly problematic.

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